The Foolishness of Basing Your Vote on the Candidate's Supporters

With the increase in GOP concern trolls as well as the increased anger that Clinton supporters have regarding the status of the race (partially egged on by Obama supporters), I have come to notice that many folks have decided to post their opinion regarding the other candidate's supporters. Some typical sentiments that I as well as many of you undoubtedly have come across recently: "your post reflects so poorly on your candidate that I am so glad that I'm not part of your camp," "no wonder I won't vote for your candidate - look how nasty you are," etc.
This really does not make sense to me in the least, as I will explain.

First off, few of us that post on blogs actually know the other posters. We only know handles, public profiles (which typically include a one sentence blurb or a quote), and partial bits of personal information from certain postings. Sure, some of us have real life friends that post on our favorite blogs and some of us attend meetup events, but besides this, many of us know no one who posts on a blog. Thus, we only get a glimpse into another person and his or her "camp" based on 3 line posts, which may be intended as snark or less offensive than they are taken. Yet, many times we see someone take serious offense to a certain posting and reply "I can't belive you! You're a horrible person!" Perhaps we should consider cutting down the hyperbole? We just don't know our fellow posters enough to level such a personal condemnation.

Secondly, I do not know how a candidate's supporters, especially on the grassroots, activist level, reflect on the candidate himself or herself. So what if some a-hole decides to annoymously post an attack against either candidate or decides to display some form of insensitivity to a certain posting? Do you really think that that person has had personal contact with the candidate to determine how to react in a certain situation? Obviously, he or she does not. Furthermore, do Americans apply to be supporters of a campaign? Do campaigns have the ability to check into every one of their MILLIONS of supporters to ensure that they are completely sensitive, nice, and level no false, over the top attack? The answer to these questions is a definite "no." Thus, how can we make broad generalizations regarding a candidate based on his or her actions in a an annoymous blog? Obviously we are unable to. Candidates can't stop anyone from voting for them or helping them, nor are they able to tell their activist legions how to behave in internet communities. Exercise some common sense. Candidates have no control over what annoymous posters on the internet do.

And finally, does it really matter if you don't personally like the supporters of the other Democratic candidate? Is it that important to you that you vote for the candidate who supports indefinite war in Iraq, no expanded health care, even for children, a turn of the cheek on economic matters, and an end to reproductive rights in the United States of America? Are you willing to endure four more years of George Bush policies because you don't like internet posters or those in real life who do not support your chosen candidate? I certainly hope that you put greater weight on the real issues in this campaign and not some battle of personalities.

So, let's not be petty, and come together to understand that too much is at stake to reduce ourselves to being little kids in a sandbox.



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I swear that I will never vote for (2.00 / 1)

McCain.  One reason is that John McCain supported Bush's veto of SCHIP.  That was unforgivable by McCain.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:21:56 AM EST

Agreed (none / 0)

Supporters' behavior is not a good reason to vote either way in the fall.

We'll know more about the candidates' character as the Michigan/Florida debacle explodes this weekend.  Obama has been conspicuously quiet because his process-based argument is not only technically inaccurate, but morally indefensible.  While he privately opposes counting all of the votes, he's at least smart enough to keep a low profile on this issue rather than being eternally painted as Katharine Harris 2008.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:15:39 AM EST

Re: Agreed (none / 0)

he opposes seating the delegations as is, because it's unfair. He did not have the opportunity to go, campaign, make his case, and get out voters for him in those states. Had he known they would be seated, he would have done that.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:48:26 AM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

His problem is how to disenfranchise without losing any support. Certainly, he doesn't want to count FL & MI yet he doesn't want to face the GE without these two states. So he keeps a low profile while his surrogates keep harping on "the rules."

There are lots of "rules" in this nomination process. There's the rule that says you need a certain number of delegates to win. His supporters keep saying he's won, but he hasn't reached the magic number. In order for him to win, he needs Hillary to agree to lose. Doesn't look like that's going to happen!

The rules say the SDs can vote any way they want. The rules say that if a nominee doesn't reach the magic number on the first vote at the convention, all delegates effectively become SDs. These are rules that the Obama supporters have been crying against for months and months. Some rules are holier than others?


by SophieL on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:54:58 AM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

The people disfranchised in MI and FL were those who stayed home because they were told by BOTH candidates, by the entire media (national and local) and by the Democratic Party that their votes would not matter. Most of those who voted in Florida did so only because of a widely publicized property tax referendum on the ballot.

You want to talk about fairness? You can't support a procedure one day and then talk about changing it when you need it another day. When my 6-year old son tries to change the rules when he's losing we tell him: "Stop cheating."

Obama is keeping a low profile because he wants to build unity in the party and not create a public scene of antagonism against Hillary's rent-a-rioters. He also doesn't want to cause a backlash among the RBC, which Hillary is almost certainly doing.

Of course, Hillary cares NOTHING about Michigan and Florida. She just wants an excuse to keep the primaries going. If the RBC seated ALL of the FL/MI delegates according to the phony January results, the superdelegates would still push Obama over the top. But Hillary knows the RBC will not fully seat MI/FL so she's using the controversy over it as an excuse to stay in the race.


by elrod on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:12:10 AM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

Questioning the validity and fairness of a particular contest does not constitute 'disenfranchisement' in my book.  But beyond that, both candidates are trying to win by the rules, which always entails interpreting the rules to effect a favorable outcome.  The Obama campaign does not deny this.  HRC, her campaign, and her supporters posture as if they are fighting a moral war for a transcendent right.  I find that to be misleading and objectionable.  And though I support Obama in this contest, and fully admit that this colors the way I read the rules to some degree, I have admired Hillary Clinton in many many respects and expect to be able to continue that respect and support in the future.  I am proud to have voted for her first senatorial campaign in NY.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:13:05 AM EST
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Lets get rid of the rules. (none / 0)

Next time - ANARCHY-PRIMARY!


by grass on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:22:15 AM EST
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Re: Agreed (2.00 / 2)

FL/MI: We're moving up our primaries.

DNC: Don't.

FL/MI: There, we just did it.

DNC: Crap. If we let you do this, the nomination calendar will be absolutely insane next time. No delegates for you, these elections won't count.

Voters: So, this election doesn't count? It's like answering a question in a poll - completely non-binding.

DNC: Yup. That's right.

Voters: Okay then. ::votes::

Clinton campaign: Surprise, voters! That vote actually counted!

Voters: ...what.

Clinton campaign: Yes, and thank you for your support.

Some voters: But I stayed home after you said that this wouldn't count!

MI voter: And I couldn't even vote for the candidate I wanted, so I stayed home, voted "uncomitted", or voted for you over Gravel!

Clinton: Well, tough. That's the way democracy works.

Voters: No it isn't!


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:22:04 AM EST
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That might have elicited a (none / 0)

chuckle from me, except for the fact that you didn't include the other three rules violators in the discussion:  Iowa, New Hampshire & South Carolina.  Dr. Dean didn't seem inclined to include them in the discussion either.  Isn't that interesting?


by aggieric on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:26:44 AM EST
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Re: That might have elicited a (none / 0)

IA,NH,SC: Hey, you promised us good spots this year!

DNC: That we did. We'll go ahead and allow you to move up, since FL and MI are trying to break the calendar we set up.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:15:55 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

"his process-based argument is not only technically inaccurate, but morally indefensible."

...it's morally indefensible to invalidate votes that you were told in advance wouldn't count, that even your opponent claimed were invalid, that you weren't allowed to campaign for...

Yes, indeed, this whole thing has told us LOTS and LOTS about Hillary's character and that of her supporters too. She's an obscene monster who doesn't have the slightest clue about or interest in either the will of the people nor the rule of law.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:37:04 AM EST
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Well said. n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:33:33 AM EST

True, true (2.00 / 1)

I'd hate for anyone to base their opinion of Obama on me.  I'm kinda a hack.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:23:45 AM EST

Re: True, true (none / 0)

It's good to move beyond the denial stage, isn't it!


by futbol dad on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:54:37 AM EST
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Oh no (none / 0)

I've always believed that I was kinda a hack.  I've never been in denial about it.

My father was a river in Egypt, you see.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:25:35 AM EST
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Re: Oh no (none / 0)

Now you have confused me! Not so abnormal a state though!


by futbol dad on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:45:37 PM EST
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